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	<title>Comments on: Gotham Central Vol. 4: The Quick and the Dead</title>
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		<title>By: Tomas</title>
		<link>http://comicpants.com/2006/11/gotham-central-vol-4-the-quick-and-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I think it's kind of a drag that they're not going to include all the Gotham Central stories in the TPBs. I'm not sure which others ones have been excluded, but I know the Stacy story has been left out of the collections. A shame, since people being introduced to Gotham Central in trades are only going to know her as "the girl who flips on the Bat-signal" unless they go back-issue hunting.

Anyway, this trade has a lot of stories I like (Black Spider's costume redesign is great), but I agree that Dr. Alchemy was made too Hannibal Lecter-ish. He even says "quid pro quo" at one point, right? I did like seeing Detectives Chyre and Morillo from Geoff Johns' run on "The Flash", though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think it&#8217;s kind of a drag that they&#8217;re not going to include all the Gotham Central stories in the TPBs. I&#8217;m not sure which others ones have been excluded, but I know the Stacy story has been left out of the collections. A shame, since people being introduced to Gotham Central in trades are only going to know her as &#8220;the girl who flips on the Bat-signal&#8221; unless they go back-issue hunting.</p>
<p>Anyway, this trade has a lot of stories I like (Black Spider&#8217;s costume redesign is great), but I agree that Dr. Alchemy was made too Hannibal Lecter-ish. He even says &#8220;quid pro quo&#8221; at one point, right? I did like seeing Detectives Chyre and Morillo from Geoff Johns&#8217; run on &#8220;The Flash&#8221;, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Lander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Lander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops... I said Lark and meant Phillips. But I have seen Lark's black and white work, and it has looked really nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops&#8230; I said Lark and meant Phillips. But I have seen Lark&#8217;s black and white work, and it has looked really nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Lambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lark on Criminal?!  When is this happening?

As for Gotham Central, it joins the list of a number of good books I was sad to see go.  While I think Brubaker leaving did hurt the book, I thought Rucka still did a good job on the last few arcs without him.  And while I really didn't like having the book lead into the Spectre and superhero stuff, I thought the ending was quite good, but I can see people having problems with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lark on Criminal?!  When is this happening?</p>
<p>As for Gotham Central, it joins the list of a number of good books I was sad to see go.  While I think Brubaker leaving did hurt the book, I thought Rucka still did a good job on the last few arcs without him.  And while I really didn&#8217;t like having the book lead into the Spectre and superhero stuff, I thought the ending was quite good, but I can see people having problems with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Lander</title>
		<link>http://comicpants.com/2006/11/gotham-central-vol-4-the-quick-and-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Lander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seba said:
&lt;i&gt;it’d be great if at least dc made one more GC original graphic novel with rucka and gaudiano, like they did with the forty-niners (top ten, another great series which we’ll never again see).&lt;/i&gt;

If Brubaker were to come back and do a GC OGN, I'd be interested... Rucka, not so much. I'll be honest, I liked Rucka's work a lot more before he became a DC guy, where his sensibilities just don't align with what I want in a superhero universe. When Brubaker was writing Gotham Central, it felt like an ensemble book, when Rucka was writing it it felt like "The Adventures of Renee Montoya and friends." I like Montoya, and I really liked Rucka's story that "outed" her, but I wanted a more balanced cast. 

This was the first GC trade I didn't buy. There were moments I liked in both stories, but I feel that the Hannibal Lecterization of supervillains has become a lazy writing trick, bordering on cliche, and Dr. Alchemy probably doesn't warrant such treatment in the first place. Like Nick, I was also put off that the long build-up of "Who is Jim Corrigan?" culminated in "Uh, well, he's just a corrupt guy, no relation, just a coincidence." 

My biggest frustration with GC in the end, though, is that instead of being a look at Gotham through the eyes of cops, or just a cool as hell police procedural, in the end it became a launchpad for the new Spectre and the new Question or Batwoman or laser-gun toting P.I. or whatever the hell Montoya winds up as.

Tim.agen wrote:
&lt;i&gt;I wonder what a black and white reproduction/ recollection of Gotham Central would look like. Maybe sized like the most recent “Sin City” reprints.&lt;/i&gt;

I want to say that generally, color superhero art from the modern-day won't reproduce as well in black and white. It was made for color, and the color was tailored to the art, and that's probably the best presentation of it.

BUT... having seen Lark's black and white work on CRIMINAL, I have to say, I'd be interested in seeing what GC would look like as affordable B&#038;W digests. Or maybe one gigantic "SHOWCASE" style collection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seba said:<br />
<i>it’d be great if at least dc made one more GC original graphic novel with rucka and gaudiano, like they did with the forty-niners (top ten, another great series which we’ll never again see).</i></p>
<p>If Brubaker were to come back and do a GC OGN, I&#8217;d be interested&#8230; Rucka, not so much. I&#8217;ll be honest, I liked Rucka&#8217;s work a lot more before he became a DC guy, where his sensibilities just don&#8217;t align with what I want in a superhero universe. When Brubaker was writing Gotham Central, it felt like an ensemble book, when Rucka was writing it it felt like &#8220;The Adventures of Renee Montoya and friends.&#8221; I like Montoya, and I really liked Rucka&#8217;s story that &#8220;outed&#8221; her, but I wanted a more balanced cast. </p>
<p>This was the first GC trade I didn&#8217;t buy. There were moments I liked in both stories, but I feel that the Hannibal Lecterization of supervillains has become a lazy writing trick, bordering on cliche, and Dr. Alchemy probably doesn&#8217;t warrant such treatment in the first place. Like Nick, I was also put off that the long build-up of &#8220;Who is Jim Corrigan?&#8221; culminated in &#8220;Uh, well, he&#8217;s just a corrupt guy, no relation, just a coincidence.&#8221; </p>
<p>My biggest frustration with GC in the end, though, is that instead of being a look at Gotham through the eyes of cops, or just a cool as hell police procedural, in the end it became a launchpad for the new Spectre and the new Question or Batwoman or laser-gun toting P.I. or whatever the hell Montoya winds up as.</p>
<p>Tim.agen wrote:<br />
<i>I wonder what a black and white reproduction/ recollection of Gotham Central would look like. Maybe sized like the most recent “Sin City” reprints.</i></p>
<p>I want to say that generally, color superhero art from the modern-day won&#8217;t reproduce as well in black and white. It was made for color, and the color was tailored to the art, and that&#8217;s probably the best presentation of it.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230; having seen Lark&#8217;s black and white work on CRIMINAL, I have to say, I&#8217;d be interested in seeing what GC would look like as affordable B&#038;W digests. Or maybe one gigantic &#8220;SHOWCASE&#8221; style collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Lander</title>
		<link>http://comicpants.com/2006/11/gotham-central-vol-4-the-quick-and-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Lander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fil, we're not really a news site, nor do we do a lot of commentary... pretty much strictly reviews. Every other site has pretty well covered Cockrum's death, so there wasn't anyone who hadn't already seen the basic info.

For my part, I don't have anything to add other than the obvious thoughts most everyone is having: Cockrum co-created the All New, All Different X-Men, for all intents and purposes, making him one of the fathers of the most enduring sets of new characters in comics, and the comics industry will definitely miss him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fil, we&#8217;re not really a news site, nor do we do a lot of commentary&#8230; pretty much strictly reviews. Every other site has pretty well covered Cockrum&#8217;s death, so there wasn&#8217;t anyone who hadn&#8217;t already seen the basic info.</p>
<p>For my part, I don&#8217;t have anything to add other than the obvious thoughts most everyone is having: Cockrum co-created the All New, All Different X-Men, for all intents and purposes, making him one of the fathers of the most enduring sets of new characters in comics, and the comics industry will definitely miss him.</p>
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		<title>By: fil</title>
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		<dc:creator>fil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing on Dave Cockrum's death this past weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing on Dave Cockrum&#8217;s death this past weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: tim.agen</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim.agen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what a black and white reproduction/ recollection of Gotham Central would look like.  Maybe sized like the most recent "Sin City" reprints.</description>
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		<title>By: Ovid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ovid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: The Jim Corrigan here has no relationship with the former host of the Spectre, other than the coincidence of their names. (Of course, he has a much closer relationship with the new host of the Spectre...)

I seriously doubt that this title will be collected in its entirety. They've already skipped some issues and it's unlikely they'll go back and include them in other TPB's. They'll probably just collect the major arcs - #33-36 and ##38=40. It's a huge shame, because ##11 and 32 were two of the best issues in the run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: The Jim Corrigan here has no relationship with the former host of the Spectre, other than the coincidence of their names. (Of course, he has a much closer relationship with the new host of the Spectre&#8230;)</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that this title will be collected in its entirety. They&#8217;ve already skipped some issues and it&#8217;s unlikely they&#8217;ll go back and include them in other TPB&#8217;s. They&#8217;ll probably just collect the major arcs - #33-36 and ##38=40. It&#8217;s a huge shame, because ##11 and 32 were two of the best issues in the run.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Budd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I haven't heard for sure or anything, but it would surprise me if DC didn't finish trading this series up.  Tim.agen is right that there were some good stories after this trade...Well, maybe not as fun as the Harvey Bullock one or the first story with Mr. Freeze per-se...But still good enough to be traded.  And while I wasn't a huge fan with where the book ended up, overall, it's one that I enjoyed enough to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I haven&#8217;t heard for sure or anything, but it would surprise me if DC didn&#8217;t finish trading this series up.  Tim.agen is right that there were some good stories after this trade&#8230;Well, maybe not as fun as the Harvey Bullock one or the first story with Mr. Freeze per-se&#8230;But still good enough to be traded.  And while I wasn&#8217;t a huge fan with where the book ended up, overall, it&#8217;s one that I enjoyed enough to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: seba</title>
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		<dc:creator>seba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a huge fan of GC and i  am truly sorry to see it go. i've bought every issue and the trades. it's everything i like about batman: to take him seriously, as though he really existed. i like the humanity of this book as opposed to the more childish superhero stuff that plagues most batman books. i know brubaker and lark signed exclusive contracts with marvel. but there are characters in GC too terrific to forget about.
 it'd be great if at least dc made one more GC original graphic novel with rucka and gaudiano, like they did with the forty-niners (top ten, another great series which we'll never again see).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a huge fan of GC and i  am truly sorry to see it go. i&#8217;ve bought every issue and the trades. it&#8217;s everything i like about batman: to take him seriously, as though he really existed. i like the humanity of this book as opposed to the more childish superhero stuff that plagues most batman books. i know brubaker and lark signed exclusive contracts with marvel. but there are characters in GC too terrific to forget about.<br />
 it&#8217;d be great if at least dc made one more GC original graphic novel with rucka and gaudiano, like they did with the forty-niners (top ten, another great series which we&#8217;ll never again see).</p>
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		<title>By: tim.agen</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim.agen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they collect the last few.. #32 is the Steve Leiber drawn Poison Ivy chiller.  #33-36 is "Dead Robin" and #38-40 closes out the Montoya/Allen stories.. Seems like a good thing to collect.  #36 has one of my favorite Batman moments.. the detectives let Batman do some in-terror-gating.  HA!  Kano on pencils that ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they collect the last few.. #32 is the Steve Leiber drawn Poison Ivy chiller.  #33-36 is &#8220;Dead Robin&#8221; and #38-40 closes out the Montoya/Allen stories.. Seems like a good thing to collect.  #36 has one of my favorite Batman moments.. the detectives let Batman do some in-terror-gating.  HA!  Kano on pencils that ish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jofo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotham Cenral is one of those books I'll always forget about how good it is untill I read a new TPB of it. I really enjoyed the second arc in the book although the Hannibal Lecter thing was a little too obvious, without knowing anything about Dr. Alchemy, but the rest of the story was just fun to read.

I know GC stopped but this was also the last released TPB? Would really be a shame because I really looked forward to be reading the next TPB of it :( :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotham Cenral is one of those books I&#8217;ll always forget about how good it is untill I read a new TPB of it. I really enjoyed the second arc in the book although the Hannibal Lecter thing was a little too obvious, without knowing anything about Dr. Alchemy, but the rest of the story was just fun to read.</p>
<p>I know GC stopped but this was also the last released TPB? Would really be a shame because I really looked forward to be reading the next TPB of it <img src='http://comicpants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://comicpants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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