Fat Pants June 2007
Fat Pants is a monthly Comic Pants feature in which we mull over the last month’s trades and graphic novels in order to let you know which ones we feel are most worth your attention. It is far from a comprehensive list of all the good reads to published in the past month, so please feel free let us know in the comments which trades and graphic novels came out in the last month that you, the reader, feel are most worth our attention. So, without further ado, here are the books we think really stood out this month.
Jack Kirby’s Fourth World Omnibus
Writer/Artist: Jack Kirby
Company: DC Comics
Nick: God, where to begin? Jack Kirby truly is the “KING of Comics”. Everything that he’s done for the mainstream books, the characters that he has had a hand in creating…It’s mind-boggling to even think about. And yet, the work contained in this first volume really is some of his best. It’s a bizarre concoction of psychedelic ideas, colors and words, challenging our minds while at the same time telling a very modern story that you instantly connect with.
Dan: I’m a huge Kirby fan, and it was actually these Fourth World comics that made me go back and look at his original Marvel work. Nothing matches when he was working on his own, though- the crazy energy of the lines and ideas, along with the funky cadence of the dialogue and sheer power of the character designs, is awe-inspiring. This is some truly classic work.
Nick: I’ve always loved Jack Kirby but never read any of the Fourth World stories before, which is odd I know, but I have to say that after finishing this opening volley, I’m salivating for more. What’s in this volume? Well, the first three issues of The New Gods, Mr. Miracle, The Forever People and the first seven issues of Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen. I love them all but the latter one is my favorite. Kirby’s Jimmy is a major player instead of just a sideline character appearing in a Superman book, which is the way it should be. He’s layered and interesting, dealing with people like The News Boy Legion (great in their own right) and things like the DNA Project. It’s all very hip and cool and extremely worth the $50.00 price tag.
Dan: My favorite thing about this project is that the issues are in the order that they were originally released, so that you get to see the Fourth World unfold the same way people did when it first came out. I’ve read it both ways, and this is by far cooler. I notice little hints and connections this way that I never noticed just reading them in issue order.
Nick: I completely agree, as I can’t really imagine just reading this in story order and making all of the connections. I think the stories all stand on their own but the way that each of them fit together in the Hardcover is so much better. Pinning down a single favorite thing about this book is really hard for me as the whole package is damn near perfect. One of my favorite things about this book is the packaging. I know that a lot of people were annoyed with the quality of the paper that was used, as it sort of resembles newsprint, but I fell into the camp of people that were really impressed with it. The colors really pop on it and I don’t think the effect of Kirby’s art would have carried as much weight if they had printed this on a glossy paper like they do with the Absolute line.
Dan: Yeah, the paper was a whole controversy, but I really do prefer it like this. It isn’t the weak newsprint of some trades, it’s a strong white paper that just has a rough surface, and I think it shows the colors better than a glossy page would. I just wish they could have dropped the price point a little, but I’m not a production guy, so I have no idea what the costs involved were.
Planet Hulk
Writer: Greg Pak
Artists: Carlo Pagulayan, Aaron Lopresti, Juan Santacruz, Gary Frank, Takeshi Miyazawa
Company: Marvel Comics
Nick: Discounting things like Hulk: Gray, the original stuff by Lee and Kirby and a few arcs of the Bruce Jones stuff, I don’t normally care for Hulk titles. So in my mind, when one of the guys handed me a copy of this hardcover that’s jampacked with the 12 issue storyline and a Super-Sized bonus section full of cool extras, I didn’t quite know what to expect. Color me surprised when after reading just two issues of the book I gave it back and went out and bought my own copy. Greg Pak does a tremendous job with what can only be described as: Spartacus meets Hulk meets Gladiator. It’s a lot of fun and there’s certainly more here than just the whole “Hulk Smash” bit too, which is key.
Dan: It’s a love story, it’s a fight for freedom, it’s an action epic- it’s all sorts of things, but it’s definitely a Hulk story. Holy crap does he kick ass. Betrayed by his friends, enslaved by his enemies, Hulk does what he does best- he survives. Oh, yeah. And gets really, really mad. Greg Pak wrote the hell out of this, and I was as surprised as you to be enjoying it so much, as I haven’t really liked a Hulk story for years. The artwork is excellent too, topnotch work all around.
Nick: You know, the art is another thing that really impressed me. If someone were to take a look at the “As Long as My Arm” list of artists that do work in this book, a person might think that there’s no way in hell that that many interpretations and styles work to form a single cohesive story. The crazy thing is, they do. Whether it was just pure luck or by sneaky skill, none of it feels out of place or like they were phoning it in. It was quality and all very eye appealing. Other than the art, what was really nice were the extras. I know that most of it was released in the Planet Hulk: Gladiator Guidebook issue that resembled the new Official Handbook stuff, but in that format it really held no interest for me. Paired with the book, it works better as it really delves deeper into the society and the aliens of that inhabit the planet, and was engrossing.
Dan: Yeah, it doesn’t look anything like the normal OHOTMU format. It reads more like a Discovery Channel guide to the planet than anything, and while that may not sound cool, it is to me. I picked it up as a single issue and never read it, but as part of the hardcover, having just read the story, I wanted to know more. Thanks to this hardcover, when World War Hulk hit, I was primed and ready.
Nick: Easily the best Hulk storyline of the past few years, and if you have any interest in it at all, I strongly recommend picking it up.
X-Men First Class Vol. 1 HC
Writer: Jeff Parker
Artist: Roger Cruz
Company: Marvel Comics
Nick: I keep singing Jeff Parker’s praise here but come on, this guy can write the heck out of just about anything. X-Men First Class is a prime example, as it’s probably the best X-Men title to have graced the shelves of any comic book store this year. The stories feel classic, very much in line with the greatness of the soap operatics of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s stuff while also blending it with Claremont’s ingenuity of character and story. I like seeing these characters use their powers inventively instead of just the normal bang and chop and I also love to see them go up against villains that don’t necessarily mesh with the norm, which is exactly the kind of stuff Parker does.
Randy: I have to admit, it took me a while to dive into this book, because I was never a fan of Image stalwart Roger Cruz back in the day. Constant talk about how good it is from the rest of you led me to ease in with the First Class Special (featuring art from Allred, Dragotta, etc.) and then the first issue of the new ongoing (featuring Invisible Girl mentoring Jean Grey) and then I couldn’t resist the hardcover. What can I say? You guys were right. This is a great book. And Cruz does in fact get better with each issue, even if I still wish the interior art were as beautiful as Marko Djurdjevic’s covers.
Nick: Randy’s right. It’s hard to beat Djurdjevic’s covers, as they are absolutely beautiful. And I have to admit, I’m personally unfamiliar with Roger Cruz’s previous work, so to me he sort of came out of nowhere. That said, I really do like his work on this book. Like with Frank Quitely, Cruz’s style is definitely different from your run of the mill superhero stuff and it did take an issue or two to really get a feel for it. But once that happened, you start to notice the small things that he injects into his work. I’m all about seeing a great range of character emotion in my characters and Cruz nails it perfectly, giving each of the X-Men their own unique look and feel. Also, he might draw one of my favorite versions of Professor Xavier ever as he gives him the old school, sort of evil looking, very over-exaggerated eyebrows. Hilarious.
Randy: Well, in these old days, Xavier was the strict old man tutor, so that fits. That’s one of the big selling points of X-Men: First Class, actually, it’s the early days of the X-Men. It’s closer to Spider-Man (and maybe even Archie) than to the Claremont X-Men, as it’s all about teen angst and pop superhero fun. Parker does a great job of using the X-Men in their pre-mutant ghetto status, mixing in familiar faces like The Lizard, Thor, Doctor Strange, Skrulls and even Agents of Atlas’ Gorilla Man. Not that the mutant factor is entirely over-looked, as there’s a really good use of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and the Juggernaut (sort of) as well.
Nick: Yeah, the issue with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver is really one of the best but if I had to pick a favorite, I’d probably go with the Norse themed issue as my favorite. Seeing Thor, Ymir, superb action and a cool use of Iceman just brought a smile to my face. Still, I think the biggest selling point for X-Men First Class is its approachability. In this day and age where the huge crossovers and continuity rich books rule all, it’s nice to have the option of picking up any issue of this and get a whole story that in many ways fulfills the true comic book experience.
Randy: Absolutely. Parker writes accessible, all-ages stories that don’t talk down to anybody. The continuity doesn’t quite fit with the early days, but the characterization is consistent and the stories are full of great action and plenty of fun moments. You don’t have to read the eight stories in this hardcover to jump onto the ongoing series; it’s not a continuity issue, or an issue of story foundation. But after you read a couple issues of the series, you’ll want to read the first eight issues of the run, because the series is a sheer joy.
Annihilation Book 3 HC
Writers: Keith Giffen, Christos Gage & Stuart Moore
Artists: Andrea Di Vito, Giuseppe Camuncoli, Mike McKone & Scott Kolins
Company: Marvel Comics
Nick: Beyond being just good, this third volume of the Annihilation series, which covers the main six issue mini and the two part Heralds of Galactus story, is as close as you can get to excellence. A great, cosmically epic and action plentiful story by Keith Giffen which is only made better by the rich art by Andrea Di Vito and colorist Laura Villari. Everything on the page pops and there are some splash pages that are so strongly done that I want them Galactus-sized and hanging on my wall.
Randy: Here’s the bad news: the first volume of Annihilation is out of print. The good news? You can easily pick up just Volume 3 and get the best of the story, although I’d still recommend checking out volume 1 for Nova and volume 2 for Silver Surfer. At any rate, this is the “meat” of the event and the epilogue, and it starts off with a beleaguered Nova at the head of a galactic army trying to head off Annihilus’s troops and just gets bigger and badder from there. Annihilation Books 1 and 2 have a lot of setup, and Book 3 is the big, well-worth-the-wait payoff.
Nick: I too would also recommend seeking out the first two books before picking this one up. You don’t have to, nor will I be angry that you didn’t, as the main series still reads well as is, but by skipping them you’re sort of coming in on the third act of a great movie. But whether you do pick up the previous ones or you are just grabbing this one, you’re still getting one of the best comics possible. It’s intense, cinematic and is a treasure trove of delights for the fans of cosmic characters. I mean come on, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Peter Quill (Starlord) Ronan, Drax, Thanos, Firelord, and Terrax the Tamer all in one place. You can’t tell me that’s not cool.
Randy: Huge cast and big, exciting cosmic stuff, that’s Annihilation. What’s impressive, though, is that even though the action and consequences are huge, galaxy-spanning, the series is kept grounded and in many ways character-based. What happens to Nova, Silver Surfer, Starlord and any of the numerous other main characters is at the heart of the story. The plot is a perfect combination of war story and superhero tale, but it’s the deft touch that Giffen shows with the characters that makes it so compelling. Well, that and Galactus getting mad and punching out a bunch of cosmic ne’er do wells. No matter who you are, that’s just cool.
Fables Vol. 9: Sons of Empire
Writer: Bill Willingham
Artist: Mark Buckingham & Others
Company: Vertigo
Nick: I have to say that I love Fables. It’s just one of those timeless series that is consistently good, always ranking high on my list of great comics of the moment. This volume however ranks a little differently from the others that have come before it. I still liked it well enough but there were elements and stories in it that weren’t exactly on par with what the other collections have contained. If this is true though, then why the heck is it even on this list, you might ask? Well, the answer is that while there are pieces of this trade that don’t interest me, the good far outweighs the bad. The main attraction, a story in which a What If is told about the Adversary and the Homelands invading the mundie world and vice versa is great. There are small nuances about it that Willingham adds that are equal parts charming and chilling. And there are other things to enjoy like a series of short but wonderfully fun, two or three page stories all done by various artists focusing on smaller fables. So yes, the trade’s good and most certainly worth picking up but as a collection I felt a little dissapointed after finishing it.
Randy: I think that Mike Allred was unfortunately miscast on his Fables story, a shame given that he’s usually an excellent artist and would seem suited to this book, but for whatever reason, his work here fell flat, especially compared to the excellent work done by Mark Buckingham on the rest of the book. And the “Burning Questions” issue was a bit of a disappointment as well, as the questions were all basically fluffy nonsense, and having a question from the editor (rather than one of the readers) seemed like cheating. Aside from that, though, I’m pretty happy with this volume, and even the aforementioned disappointments had elements that I liked. But the “Sons of Empire” story that you reference is not only an entertaining read, it no doubt sets up important stuff to come in the war between the Adversary and Fabletown. I also found the Christmas story and Willingham’s take on the magic of Santa quite charming, and liked his use of Bigby Wolf and Jack in perfect roles in that tale.
Nick: I too felt the Mike Allred stuff felt sort of… out of place. Normally, I can’t get enough of the artist and my jaw drops with the stuff that he does in his own comic Madman, but there was just some undefineable aspect to it that didn’t congeal with the story being told. On the other hand, I agree with Randy that the “Big” thing about this trade was the setup of stories to come, and I for one am itching to see the outcome of a few of those plotlines.
Randy: This volume gives us an unprecedented look into the bad guys of the Fables world, and some short but interesting looks at other fables to boot. It doesn’t have the big revelations of “Homelands,” the status quo shakeups of “Arabian Nights” or the big culminations of “Wolves,” the last three trades, but it’s still impressive by any standard.
Nick: Talking about being impressed by things brings up another subject, one of art. There are many aspects to the art that are superb. The James Jean covers continue to entice and illicit the need to know what’s going on inside the book but what’s on the inside is just as pleasing. Mark Buckingham, Steve Leialoah and Lee Loughridge are a powerhouse of a team, supplying vivid landscapes and characters. The work has a definite animation flavor that really draws the eye in and the themed page borders are always a treat to ogle.
For A Few Dollars More…
Randy: Re-Gifters: DC’s Minx line started well with Plain Jane, but Re-Gifters is the gem of the line thus far. Reuniting the creative team of Vertigo’s supernatural romance My Faith in Frankie, Re-Gifters follows the story of Korean-American girl “Dixie” as she struggles with an upcoming Hapkido championship, a crush on a boy who likes someone else, a bully that’s kinda nice to her and how her best friend and family deal with all this. It’s funny, sweet and has plenty to say about being a teen girl, despite the fact that not a single one of them worked on the graphic novel. But Carey has a teen daughter, so that must have given him some insights, because this feels genuine, it feels fresh and it’s one of the best graphic novel reads I’ve had all year. Teen angst, martial arts and a happy ending… where else can you get that for ten bucks?
Dan: Death Jr. Vol. 2: Usually, video-game tie-in comics fall flat. The Death Jr. books, on the other hand, have been delightful, and I’m pretty sure a lot of it has to do with the creative team. Writer Gary Whitta is a talented scripter for video-games and movies, and artist Ted Naifeh is well known for his sophisticated cartoonish style from goth books like Courtney Crumrin and GloomCookie and wider fare like Polly and the Pirates and How Loathsome. This collection tells the story of DJ, the Reaper’s son, his friend Pandora, and what happens when he interns for the summer for his old man. Meanwhile his other friends head to summer camp, only to discover it’s not what they expected. Fun and funny, Death Jr. is both touching and intriguing, and a great read.
Randy: Art of Bone: Dark Horse’s “Art Of” series never fails to impress, and Art of Bone is another great entry in their oversized hardcover series. It doesn’t feature as much new or unseen art as I’d like, only a scattered few toy design tie-ins and such, but it is really nice to see Jeff Smith’s art at the larger size. Both black and white original and Steve Hamaker colored versions are at work here, and while it’s not hard to appreciate Smith’s work at any size, seeing things like a two-page splash of the Valley in full color at this size gives you an insight into just how good his art is. Bonus treats include a look at when Bone was a college strip, and the characters and rough outlines are there, but in a format that makes it much easier to trace the roots back to Walt Kelly’s Pogo. Another home run for Dark Horse’s “Art Of” series.
Nick: Goosebumps Vol. 3 Scary Summer: This trio of writer/artists (Kyle Baker, Dean Haspiel, & Ted Naifeh) prove that a book doesn’t always have to be a glorified, schtick filled bloodbath to be considered horror. The material, short and sweet tales that range from your average, run of the mill ghost stories to a more bizarre tier that stars creatures such as mischievous lawn ornaments, are all brilliant in their approachability and their simplicity. And like the other volumes of the Goosebumps series, all of the art is jaw-dropping. A phenomenally fun read, especially on a dark and stormy night.
Randy: Collected Toupydoops Vol. 1: Ground Floor: The first five issues of Kevin McShane’s indy comic (plus extras) are collected in this trade, and if you have a sense of humor that tends toward the cynical and referential, I can’t recommend it highly enough. The high concept, that breaking into comics is like breaking into Hollywood, and the characters are actors, is great, and McShane executes perfectly, taking the creations of his college comic strip (the titular Toupydoops and his roommates Mr. Bananas and Teetereater) and positioning them as trying to “make it” in the big-time Hollywood of superhero comics. This leads to Street Fighter-inspired cockroach fights in their apartment, a night of bar-hopping, jealousy between Toupy and Teeter and (horrors!) would-be comic star Toupy getting a day job as a teacher. The moment-to-moment writing and cartooning is clever and funny, showing off great comic timing and hints of deeper characterization to boot, and the whole “Toupy’s got a day job” thing holds together better in trade, where you can see the story unfolding in larger chunks.
Nick: Fear Agent Vol. 2: If you’re any kind of fan of the science fiction/action genre and you’re not already reading Fear Agent, then let me tell you this…You’re insane. Writer Rick Remender and artist Jerome Opena craft a rip-roaring science fiction story done right, fueled by hard whiskey and exploding aliens. Equal parts Dr. Who and EC Comics with a splash of Bruce Campbell, this volume picks up right where the cliffhanger ending of the first volume left off, and continues the story of Alien Exterminator, Heath Huston, and his desperate attempt to save every living soul on Earth from an alien invasion. A must read series if there’s ever been one.
Randy: Grendel Archive Edition: Grendel Archives is a slim hardcover collecting the unfinished original Grendel saga, the first thing Matt Wagner created with his sophisticated criminal Hunter Rose. Long out of print, it’s true that these stories don’t really represent the master cartoonist Wagner has become, nor the realized potential of the dark, intelligent saga that Grendel has turned into. But all the seeds are there, and it’s interesting to see the story of criminal Hunter Rose and his hunter Argent the Wolf played out, rather than described with illustrations, as they were in “Devil By The Deed.” The art is rougher, the storytelling more conventional, but Grendel (and Matt Wagner) were clearly destined for greatness from the start.
Dan: Marvel Adventures The Avengers V.3: Jeff Parker has been doing a great job on this title since it kicked off, but this volume collects two of the best. In issue 9, the entire team is turned into MODOKs. And yes, it is awesome. Issue 12 manages to match it, though, with the galactic romance that is “Ego, the Loving Planet.” Seems Ego’s a bit of a playa, and Earth is looking mighty fine… Juan Santacruz does a hell of a job on the artwork on all four issues, no matter what insane crap Parker has him draw. Do yourself a favor- drop seven bucks on a digest full of greatness.















Funny that Mike Allred is the only reason I’ve ever read a Fables story, with the Joelle Jones one-pager also in this collection being the second. Maybe his work didn’t fit, but for this Allred fan, it’s because I actually thought he drew better than the comic demanded.
Thus is the subjective world of reading comics.
17 Jul 2007 at 12:55 am
Quotehaving already purchased each individual issue of the wonderfukl first class i have no intention of buying the hardcover also - but i must admit it makes me a little sad…yous guys didn’t mention any extra features that it has - are there script pages, preliminary art, anything like that in there?
i too had never heard of this cruz guy, i’ll be on the lookout for the x-brows now! one of my fav things he does is give the characterss in the panel that aren’t speaking realistic, humorous reactions to what is being said with their facial expressions alone. the old school carefree/angsty/cheesy/melodramatic vibe is only bettered by ASS at the mo wouldn’t you agree? or is there some similarly silver-age aping funny book?
17 Jul 2007 at 3:56 am
QuoteAs much as I loved the Kirby hardcover, paper quality and all, I still believe it’s overpriced. It would have softened the blow if it was at least oversized (not Absolute oversized, but Marvel oversized). And that’s a shame, too, because Kirby’s art deserves a bigger format.
17 Jul 2007 at 5:20 am
QuoteI wasn’t crazy about the art in the story about the Bigby family visiting the North Wind. However, the plot developments in that story, I thought, were just as significant as in the Sons of the Empire story. From a character development standpoint, the revelations about the North Wind and how Bigby feels about his kids were great. Also, I was curious about Bigby’s statement about hiding your true nature until the appropriate time. I wonder what he meant by that? I think he was just sparring verbally with his father, but it might reveal something else as well about his true nature. Maybe I just really like Bigby. Oh, and you had to appreciate the little Pinnochio/Gepetto story that was in there as well. Gepetto always, always seems to control his image as a benevolent old man. It was one of the few glimpses of the real man behind the mask.
17 Jul 2007 at 9:53 am
QuoteAbout six pages’ worth. Cover sketches from Djurdjevic, the fun recap pages from the issues (shrunk too small to be very readable, unfortunately), character designs and unused pinups from Cruz. If you have the original issues, you’ve got pretty much everything.
If you’re digging All Star Superman and X-Men First Class, I highly recommend checking out Godland from Image. I think odds are good you’ll like it.
17 Jul 2007 at 3:29 pm
QuoteEvery now and then, I get sort of down on comics. “What’s the use?” I ask myself. “It’s all just crap anymore anyway.” And then I see big, shiny hardcover shrines to awesomeness like these and I gasp, as though thought balloons were lodged in my esophagus. “Puny human!” the thought baloon muses in booming Hulk lettering, “Comics kick your ass!” Yes they do, angry green schizoprenic figment of my dementia. Yes they do.
Nick, just imagine a poor man’s Joe Madureira with little storytelling sense and a hearty helping of Imageistic kewlisms: that’s what Roger Cruz used to be. He’s grown so much as an artist and storyteller now that it’s hard to imagine it’s the same guy. I think he’s almost as integral to FIRST CLASS as Miyazawa to SMLMJ. As for FIRST CLASS itself, it doesn’t need any more kudos than you guys already gave it. Brilliant little book that finally makes the Original Five exciting (only took forty years!). I do wonder why it isn’t a Marvel Adventures title, though. As Randy said, the continuity doesn’t fit well enough to be a retro series (though I really wish it did, as it would go a long way to re-energizing the adult versions), so why is Marvel apparently trying to trick people into thinking it is?
Rereading ANNIHILATION in collection, it strikes me how much more explosive the main series was than the minis. Aside from SUPER-SKRULL, the rest were (comparatively) subdued character pieces. And then Book 3 hits and it practically burns with scope and drama. Yet you can look back and see all the pieces falling into place in the minis. A near-perfect way to structure an event, pulled off with even better execution. Finally, a crossover that lived up to itself. And good on Marvel for recognizing this and bringing the band back together (with a new drummer!) for CONQUEST.
Randy, while I agree that Sons of Empire pales in comparison to Homelands, Arabian Nights (and Days), and Wolves, it still lives up to the FABLES Stamp of Quality. And a part of me is glad to see Willingham back off the ante-upping of the War a bit. I’m afraid that he’ll hit that epic groove too much, the book will become too driven by the plot, and he’ll run into the “endgame” phase too soon. I can see him going plot-heavy in the run up to #50, and even having a few issues of fallout afterwards, but the Sons arc and current Good Prince story feel a little culminate-y for my tastes at this stage. I’d hate to see the series lose plot-steam in the 60s, because I think there’s enough non-War material to keep it strong well into the 100s. So I welcome the “fluffy” one-offs in SoE. Especially Christmas, one of the best single issues I’ve ever read.
And if anyone reading this hasn’t read Jeff Parker’s MARVEL ADVENTURES: THE AVENGERS, go steal a copy from a starving, retarded, one-limbed blind baby. Trust me, it’s the right thing to do. It’s THE comic people will be in-joking about for years to come. You DO want in on the joke, don’t you? Or do you just want to be some lame Karl? SEE!?! IT’S ALREADY STARTING!
18 Jul 2007 at 1:29 am
QuoteBRAVE & THE BOLD is great, IMO. So’s BLUE BEETLE (when Rogers is writing it) and Slott’s soon-to-end SHE-HULK run.
I know Randy moans about the darkening of the Big Two universes, and I’m with him on that, but there are spots of light and unabashed comic joy out there.
In fact, the one book that seems to have tried for a bit of a silver-agey vibe and failed is, surprisingly, Morrison’s BATMAN.
18 Jul 2007 at 5:05 am
QuoteYeah what’s up with that I wonder? I’m a huge Morrison fan, All Star Superman, just sings with fun and coolness. But his Batman, while it’s had its moments, just hasn’t done it for me, very surprising indeed.
18 Jul 2007 at 7:21 am
QuoteI’m with Ovid, like both Brave & the Bold and Blue Beetle. Those two titles should get more mentioned here. I hope more titles like those are published by DC, since I’m also not a big fan of a darken DC Universe.
18 Jul 2007 at 7:08 pm
QuoteYou’re a T. Martin too? Cool! I review under that name at Comixfan.
19 Jul 2007 at 3:47 pm
Quotehi everyone. i’d like to ask a question which has nothing to do with the topics in this forum, but i don’t know who or where to ask, so please bear with me.
i’ve noticed that 100 bullets has come to a halt in publication, at least, and i hope, for just a few months, as has Ex-Machina.
anybody knows what is going on with these titles, as well as if Loveless is due to be cancelled soon? (as you can see I’m a big fan of azzarello and Vaughan.)
thank you!!!
19 Jul 2007 at 7:15 pm
Quote19 Jul 2007 at 7:24 pm
QuoteFlight vol. 4 is out this week. Is it any good? How does it compared to the previous volumes?
19 Jul 2007 at 7:25 pm
QuoteI have only read the first story, so I can’t say for sure, but I will say that a flip-through confirms the art is as good as the other volumes.
I’m sure to have more to say in the Fat Pants for August.
19 Jul 2007 at 8:26 pm
QuoteCove, your posts always make me smile. Stuff like this is why.
Not sure why it wasn’t branded as Marvel Adventures, but it’s probably a good thing it wasn’t. The Marvel Adventures line, while good to great, doesn’t always get the sales it deserves in the direct market because it’s considered “kiddie” comics and doesn’t sell so well to the audience who want the “real” version of the characters. X-Men First Class does about twice the numbers it would do without the Marvel Adventures tag on it. A shame, because for me, the brand stands for all-ages quality, but it’s probably something they should shy away from in future in terms of the direct market. Compare Jeff Parker’s Marvel Adventures Avengers and X-Men First Class in terms of sales, and First Class handily wins, even though (much as I love First Class) Avengers is a better book.
Yep. I had the same reaction in reading the hardcovers. Even Ronan, which at the time I found near-unreadable, puts important elements into place and reads stronger when you’re reading it all as one big story. Impressive structure, and a solid event from beginning to end. And CONQUEST is actually better, in my opinion.
I’m the guy who wants every Vertigo series to end at issue 60, at the most, so that’s where I come from. Every time Willingham mentions that he has no plans to end Fables, I get nervous, because I’d rather see a good, strong story that begins and ends than one that eventually I grow to hate, possibly tainting all that went before. (See also: Powers, and to a lesser degree Strangers in Paradise). I suspect if the 100 Bullets timeline had been compressed a little, to the standard Vertigo 60 instead of the 100 mark, I might actually have read it all the way to the end, and I’m not sure now that I’m going to.
You could also buy it at your local store. But Cove’s method will produce superior comics. And is relatively easy, as long as you don’t hit that 1 in 100 baby that is secretly a blind midget kung fu master trying to teach would-be thieves a lesson.
I don’t know anything in particular, but as far as I know, both Ex Machina and 100 Bullets aren’t in any danger of going away. 100 Bullets was cancelled and resolicited, next issue is due out in September. Ex Machina I can’t remember, but I believe there’s an issue due in August or September. Whether it’s busy artists and writers or the workings of evil monkeys, I don’t know, but fret not, both series are safe.
As for Loveless? Also safe, at least for now. But the sales are fairly low, and I don’t know if it’s going to make it long-haul or not. I could say the same for one of my favorites, American Virgin, but the fact that Vertigo has given it two trades thus far with another one solicited leads me to believe it’s going to survive for a while. I think Loveless, with one trade under its belt and another to come, is probably in the same “relatively safe, but don’t fall too in love with it” boat.
This has been barely informed speculation theater from Randy Lander. Thank you… and good night!
19 Jul 2007 at 8:37 pm
QuoteYeah, single-issue sales of FIRST CLASS stomp all over the MA line, but I was thinking more of digest sales. We’d have no way of knowing now, but I’d like to have seen if going digest rather than HC for the collection would have had comparable sales to the MA singles vs. digest sales jump. And I have a sneaking suspicion FIRST CLASS sells so much better because of the X, not because it’s non-MA.
Yeah, Ronan was the example I was thinking of, too. The story itself was the most pointless of the minis, but it was arguably the most needed, since Ronan was the “emptiest” character of the four and required some measure of set-up outside of ANNI-proper for his pivotal role to work. That, and it was the only view we got of the final battleground of Kree space before the Wave hit. I still wish Furman had used Peter Quill somewhere; Quill’s sudden appearance as the sixth protagonist in ANNI #1 might’ve seemed natural had he showed up in one of the minis (and RONAN was the best fit).
And in my opinion, CONQUEST is worse. Not dramatically, and by no stretch un-improvable (English? Huh?), but I’m not feeling WRAITH and QUASAR like I did NOVA and SURFER. If the original was an A, the sequel gets a B thus far. But all these guys have done it successfully once before, so I have faith that they know what they’re doing. Not tree-worshipping-cosmic-lesbian faith, but it has its strengths…
Vertigo 60 is my ideal too, just not in FABLES case. Unlike SANDMAN, Y, or PREACHER, FABLES has too big a developed cast to be contained under 100 issues, IMO. Sure, he could have ended things just fine in #50, but the main characters have grown beyond just Snow, Bigby, Blue, and Jack at this point. Not that I want to see FABLES #294 if the ‘inghams don’t have it in them, but I also don’t want to see them end too soon, either. FABLES is, and always was, more than about fighting the Adversary, so I don’t want that plot in particular to dictate the endpoint.
Holy crap! Baby Stick! It’s like the X-Babies, only ass-kickier!
20 Jul 2007 at 1:56 am
QuoteActually ‘Loveless’ already has two trades out, with another recently solicited.
I know Azzerello’s always had a short-ish run in mind for the book (around forty issues, I believe) and I suspect this coupled with Azzerello’s favored son status at DC/Vertigo will at least help to secure the books future.
(Although I note that the Doug Rushkoff book was recently cancelled.)
20 Jul 2007 at 3:51 am
QuoteI got the first two trades of Azzarello’s Loveless and, well, loved it. I don’t think his storytelling style does him any favours in the direct market, though, or even in trades come to think of it. He resolutely ignores conventional storytelling structures, at least he has done in Loveless. That means that a huge amount of trust is required from the reader that it’s going to work out. IIRC, he once described his series as making up long novels, but they resemble modernist novels more than, say, those by Dickens which actually were written for serial publication. It’s a risky move, but I certainly hope Vertigo has the patience to hold out for the end.
Yeah. That was me too - there was a period when my computer was going haywire and I was having difficulty posting under any name or working out what I had or hadn’t successfully posted. It died a week or two later. I friggin hate computers.
20 Jul 2007 at 4:43 am
Quotethanks for the answers, guys, and i’m glad they’re not looking cancellation straight in the eye just now. i agree that azzarello’s storytelling in loveless and 100bullets is not everyone’s cup of tea, because it is indeed challenging for the reader. sometimes you need to go back a few issues to understand what’s going on. but i think that’s what makes it rich and interesting, because as complex as his plots may be, they’re never obscure.
does he have a website/blog?
20 Jul 2007 at 7:45 am
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